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Trying to establish peace/ceasefire

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Submitted by Korgeta on Tue, 2009-11-03 08:20. Space Empires V FAQs

I have the latest balance mod, in the game am playing I am several levels behind a opposing A.I player, by that i mean it has more advanced hull designs and three levels further in shielding. Prior to the conflict I had seven systems, am now down to three. The race am against is the phong confederation (who i hate to the core due to their crystiline weapons)

The war came about because I thought the race was weaker then it actually was and my intelligence estimates got it wrong big time so am losing and need to save face and my fledgling empire. While there is no perfect 'peace walkthrough tips' what is the best way to sue for peace against a empire that you cannot win?

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Re: Trying to establish peace/ceasefire

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Tue, 2009-11-03 09:38.

If you offer a basic treaty with a non-aggression element and perhaps a 5% tariff to them, the Phong might accept it. The AI is set up to recognize such an offer as a peace treaty.


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Re: Trying to establish peace/ceasefire

Submitted by Kontana on Tue, 2009-11-03 09:56.

For starters, stop all Intel against the Phong if you haven't already. Those will only increase anger.

Looking through the script files for the Phong:
Politics_Max_Anger_To_Accept_Treaty := 60
Politics_Min_Fear_To_Make_Peace := 10

Anger is on a scale of 0 (love you) to 100 (kill you). Fear I'm not sure on the min/max, but >(+20) means they fear you, <(-20) means they do not fear you.

You'll need to get them below 60 anger, which is Compliant/Indifferent/Apathetic or better depending on if they fear you or not.

One way is to send them about 34 "General Messages", since each gives -3 anger before any modifiers. But that's kinda cheap. They LOVE you for sending them hundreds of spam mail that says "Mineral planets are the best!". I can't figure the logic behind that one...

Could give them a gift of some unneeded Organics or Radioactives. That's a -5 anger per gift message.

The number of ships you have in what they may consider "their" territory can increase anger.
anger = 1 + Truncate(ship_count ^ 0.66)
Best to withdraw to a warppoint and defend it with every last ship if needed.

These are the modifers for anger and fear before any calculations are made. Actual numbers depend on a few things, which you'd have to read more into the scripts to find out. Positive numbers make them hate you, negative numbers make them love you.:

// Set Phong anger amounts for events
// Combat
Space_Combat_Won := 2
Space_Combat_Lost := 4
Space_Combat_Stalemate := 3
Ground_Combat_Won := 4
Ground_Combat_Lost := 8
Ground_Combat_Stalemate := 6
Mine_Explosion := 2

// Intel events
Espionage := 3
Sabotage := 3
Planet_Cargo_Bomb := 5
Planet_Conditions_Change := 3
Planet_Plagued := 10
Planet_Population_Change := 5
Planet_Anger_Change := 3
Planet_Riot := 5
Planet_Rebel := 10
Planet_Value_Change := 5
Points_Change := 5
Ship_Damaged := 3
Ship_Cargo_Bomb := 3
Ship_Lost_Supply := 3
Ship_Lost_Movement := 3
Ship_Lost_Experience := 3
Ship_Orders_Changed := 3
Ship_Rebel := 3

// Stellar Manipualtion
Planet_Destroyed := 5
Star_Destroyed := 10
Blackhole_Created := 10
Nebulae_Created := 10
WP_Closed := 5
WP_Opened := -3

// Set Phong anger amounts for diplomatic messages
Msg_General := -3
Msg_Reply := -3
Msg_Declare_War := 20
Msg_Grant_Independence := 5
Msg_Propose_Treaty := -5
Msg_Accept_Treaty := -10
Msg_Accept_Treaty_Changes := -5
Msg_Refuse_Treaty := 5
Msg_Refuse_Treaty_Changes := 3
Msg_Counter_Treaty := -3
Msg_Counter_Treaty_Changes := -3
Msg_Break_Treaty := 15
Msg_Propose_Trade := -3
Msg_Accept_Trade := -5
Msg_Refuse_Trade := 3
Msg_Counter_Trade := 0
Msg_Request_Gift := 5
Msg_Give_Gift := -5
Msg_Accept_Gift := -5
Msg_Refuse_Gift := 3
Msg_Request_Accept := -5
Msg_Request_Refuse := 5
Msg_Request_Surrender := 15
Msg_Propose_Alliance := -5
Msg_Accept_Alliance := -10
Msg_Refuse_Alliance := 5
Msg_Leave_Alliance := 15

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Re: Trying to establish peace/ceasefire

Submitted by Korgeta on Tue, 2009-11-03 13:45.

In terms of gifts, how much of resources (in this case as i have nothing of technology worth as am behiind) sent to them will they accept along withother things? Will sending unquie tech gifts like resligious trait have any effect?

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Re: Trying to establish peace/ceasefire

Submitted by Captain Kwok on Tue, 2009-11-03 14:14.

The amount of the gift is not important. Giving them unique technologies that they don't have the prerequisite racial traits for will not help.


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